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Wednesday, March 15, 2006

Changing Dollars into Yuan

I'm getting some feedback on this, so let me clarify a few things. Yes, we had to wait a long time while the people did all of the paperwork, and had extra people sign off on it, and all of that. But there were rarely any lines. At most we may have had to wait on one or two people, but most of the time we made it a point to do it when there were people at the counter of the hotel just standing there waiting to help someone. My DH even went down one evening to do it while the baby and I were in the room, because we realized we'd need some the next day and oftentimes the lobby was busy in the mornings with people checking out. So, yes, it did take 15 minutes a few times, but that was without standing in line. That's just how long it took them to do it. The problem with the White Swan is that they only exchange money during certain hours, the rest of the time they send you next door to the bank. This was not a pleasant experience. We were treated as if we were trying to pawn off bad money. In the end they exchanged it, but we were not treated very nicely at all. We will avoid going to that bank next time if we can help it. The point of yesterdays rant was that much of the Chinese way of doing things is terribly inefficient, and I think it would be helpful if the CCAA had one of those companies that streamlines things to come in and help them streamline their system. Maybe they have already done that, I don't know... it was just an idea, based on other things I saw in China. Take for instance what you have to do in a department store. The salesperson writes up what you want to buy and then keeps it, you find the cashier (usually a long ways from where you are, sometimes on a different floor than the one you are on), stand in line until it's your turn at the window, then show her your three part form(s) and you pay her. She stamps the forms and hands two of them back to you. You go back to the original salesperson (often she is with someone else so there is yet another wait) and give her the forms. She keeps one, and gives you the other one, and then gives you the items you just bought. Each salesperson has a small area they can sell in. So, sometimes you have forms from four or five salespeople, after you pay the cashier you have to go find them all to get your stuff. I realize I'm being a typical American and saying that our way is better and I know there is a lot more to it than that. I realize that in China the people that handle the money get paid a lot more than those that don't handle money, so it doesn't make sense to put cash registers out and let just anyone take money from people. I was also told by our guide that when someone exchanges money, if they don't do it exactly right, and if the money turns out to be counterfeit, that it comes out of their pay. So, I also understand why they took so much time making sure the money was good. Yes, this is all a difference in cultures. And I'm not saying their way is bad. It's just different, and in my American eyes, often not very efficient. But it also seems that efficiency is one of those things that is important to Americans and not so important to the Chinese. So while I'm bellyaching about how incredibly slow the CCAA seems to be going with everything (logging in dossiers, revewing dossiers, matching dossiers, getting Travel Approvals out), I just pointed out that maybe they could go faster if they streamlined things. Perhaps that was bad form. But, it was not meant to be a slam towards China... just a pointing out of the differences.

22 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd love to hear the differences between your last experience with adopting vs this one. Especially the wait time and how you coped then VS now. Any insight would be interesting and entertaining.

3/15/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My husband is an industrial engineer and he would say the efficiency is a measurable, scientific process. Not a cultural perspective. Efficiency can be calculated, compared and valued by counting the number of motions, the amount of energy, etc. that is expended in completing a task.

3/15/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Standing up for the China process...

I just want to say, let's all remember one of the BIG reasons (I assume) many of us chose China. It may be slow, it may be bureaucratic, it may be frustrating, but it happens. It happens with certainty without large-scale corruption. Although there are mysteries, we know the paperwork that must be completed ahead of time. We also know the costs - and they don't change. Also, it is one of the least expensive options out there. The only thing less expensive is a domestic adoption thru the foster care system (a cost of $0).

Please remember not to judge. It may seem inefficient, but it happens with reliability and with relatively predictable results. There are speed ups and slow downs, but it always happens the same way. To me this mere fact is very important.

Sally

3/15/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PS from Sally
I should mention, if anyone has a right to be frustrated its me. For DD#1 we were stuck in the SARS shutdown. DD#2 we started with an expected wait of 5-6 months. We our LID6/3/05 and watching referrals trickle in. Its hard, but I still firmly believe China is the best international adoption option available.

3/15/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger RumorQueen said...

LOL Anon - I agree, efficiency IS something that can be measured. My point was just that efficiency does not seem to be very important in China, and that is a cultural thing. In the US, we see efficiency and money tied hand in hand, and we are ruled by the almighty dollar, so we see efficiency as very important.

Sally - I'm pretty sure I made it clear I'm not putting anyone down, and that I realize it's all cultural issues, not better or worse, just different. While I might be okay with the wait next week - I am not okay with it today (or yesterday), and I'm moaning and groaning about it. I will probably do that occasionally. I realize that adopting a baby is not like ordering a pizza, but that doesn't mean I can't get frustrated with the wait.

3/15/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry, but i've got to comment on the intitial post and the 10:48AM response. efficiency is certainly relative to cultural differences. for example, many in the world may wonder why anyone would create a blog who's content is based upon tidbits from the rumor mill or why someone (such as myself) might read them. this can certainly be perceived as inefficient. what is inefficient to you may not be inefficient to someone else. as much as you, rumorqueen, back out of the initial comment you made about not wanting this to be perceived as american eyes criticizing others, it's exactly that which you've done. let's keep our eye on what we're all here for folks and stop with the bashing, intended or not.

3/15/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor Queen,
I agree with you on the fact that we ALL have our days. It's like a roller coaster. Some days I'm flying high--YAY, I'm going to be a mom and some days I hit rock bottom--BOO, I'll never have kids and be that strange woman on the block with all the cats. It's not even what is going on with CCAA or with rumors most times, I just have a bad day, like all of us have from time to time. Relenquishing control is VERY hard for some of us and if International Adoption teaches us anything it's this, and sometimes I'm still having trouble learning. Have your bad days Rumor Queen, you are human just like the rest of us. I admire your hard work on this blog and your honesty.

3/15/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't feel the need to justify your comments. This is a blog (one that I visit several times a day), and if people don't like what you write, they don't have to visit your blog. I love what you are doing, and I hope you don't start censoring yourself because of some of the comments that you have gotten. You go, girl! Keep up the good work!

3/15/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the "11:52 a.m. anon" RQ -- I thought your original post was a great and insightful one. I hope you won't feel the need to censor yourself for those who come onto YOUR blog and judge. What's with that?

For what it's worth, I agree with everything you said. The waiting sucks. We don't have to like it. Inefficiency doesn't help. And I'll say it again, the waiting sucks.

Liz, Lid 2/17

3/15/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry, I'm the 11:52 blogger, yes it's ok to disagree with what i've said as it's ok for me to disagree with what she's said. disagreement is healthy, no? ask rumor queen herself: the successful blogs spark healthy debate. note the keyword here, folks, "healthy." i'm not out to trash rumor queen. i was expressing another point of view. that's ok, right? no one mentioned anything about censoring anyone. but if it's a bad day let's call it a bad day instead of inefficiency on the part of the organization that's serving us.

3/15/2006 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger RumorQueen said...

11:52 Anon:

I'm not backing down from anything I've said. As a general rule, efficiency isn't all that important in China. That's a fact - I'm not issueing a judgement on it, just stating a fact.

And, in the original post, I DID point out that I was being incredibly bitchy about this "today". As it turns out, I'm having a bitchy couple of days.

Two weeks ago I was in a great place with the wait. Today, I just want to sit in a corner and cry. I ache to hold her in my arms.

Next week.. who knows.

Right now, chocolate is my friend. I wish I had some.

3/15/2006 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger RumorQueen said...

Speaking of efficiency. How long would you think it would take a person to look through a parent file and a baby file and decide on a match?

We'll assume 10,000 matches per year.

The three year old pictures of the matching room look like there are 5 or 6 matchers. We'll assume 5, to give them the benefit of the doubt. Surely they've added people in the past three or four years, but that's all we've got to go on at this point.

If they work 48 weeks a year, 5 days a week, 8 hour days, and if there are 5 people, then that means each person is matching 8 families a day, or one an hour. And the picture with the five or six matchers is back when there volume of dossiers was a lot less than it is now. So we can assume the time frame per match gave them a lot more time back then.

If they have hired more people and there are 8 people matching then that would be 5 matches a day per person. That's one every hour and 35 minutes.

3/15/2006 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Liz - RQ I hope you don't censor your thoughts because of some visitors with differing opinions. I really enjoy your site and your information - thanks!!!

3/15/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Speaking of efficiency. How long would you think it would take a person to look through a parent file and a baby file and decide on a match?"

I'd say it depends on how efficient the PERSON is as opposed to CHINA. My Chinese friends and I are all getting a kick out of this comment:
"As a general rule, efficiency isn't all that important in China."
Thanks for the laugh...

3/15/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger RumorQueen said...

Wow - we have lots of jerks today, huh?

So, my point about what it takes to change money, or what you have to go through in a Chinese dept store...that just completely went over your head?

Almost everything we did, the paperwork was inefficient. I'm not talking about Chinese people who are now living in America. I'm talking about the way things are done IN CHINA.

Not sure how much more I can try to dumb it down for you.

There was an NPR story a while back, some businessmen who went to China to observe factories.... I think that story explained the differences in culture more than anything else. There were more people standing around doing nothing than there were people working. Some of those people were there just in case they were needed. But, most of them did a job that only took five or ten or fifteen minutes out of every hour. So, they stood there and waited for the person ahead of them to finish, so they could do their five or ten or fifteen minutes of work. And then they'd wait on the process so it would be time for them to do their work again.

That would never happen in a US factory.

Difference in culture. Not good, not bad... just different.

3/15/2006 01:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we need to be careful what we post on the web. It is public information. When the New York Times published a story slamming the China adoption process 13 years ago they shut down for a year to reorganize. The Chinese are very much into saving face and wanting to be seen in a positive light. Just as we look at there websites so might they look at ours. Just a thought.......

3/15/2006 05:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I doubt VERY seriously the CCAA gives a rats A** about this blogspot. As much as I love it, it isn't The New York Times, folks. Lighten up, everyone. No one has slammed the China adoption process here. Our dear Rumorqueen is the only one getting slammed, and I doubt anything will shut down over it. :-)

3/15/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think when we look at how others do things it is easy to be critical. Seems sad you would make a broad statement about the way "the Chinese do things". sounds a little, dare I say racist?

We chose China for their process.

3/16/2006 02:49:00 AM  
Blogger RumorQueen said...

If you have to dare yourself to say it, you must have known it was wrong to start with.

I am not saying anything about people who are genetically Chinese. I'm saying something about the way things are done IN CHINA.

3/16/2006 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the 2:49AM poster. It is racist. I don't even feel dared to say it. It's also hypocritical, short-sighted and just plain dumb.

3/16/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Sparky said...

People who stay anonymous and then have the balls to call someone a racist blow my mind. Unbelievable!

Rumor Queen keep up the good work. I love what you are doing here. It helps keep me sane.

Thanks,
Donna aka Sparky
LID 9/14

3/16/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that everyone needs to lighten up on the RumorQueen...or stop reading this blog. She is entitled to her opinions AND her frustrations during this wait, it has nothing to do with the Chinese nor is any of it intended to be a cultural slam. YOU people on the other hand might want to curb the self-righteous and high-mindedness or keep your thoughts to yourself...might go a long way towards raising your daughters to exist in the real world. And if you're SO offended, why are you on the site in the first place?

3/16/2006 03:51:00 PM  

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